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Public Questions & Responses - February 4, 2008

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Please note that some of the answers are repeated in various sections and other answers are still in progress and will be filled in when available.

 

Overview

Background of the Sealth Remodel Project

With the passage of the February 2007 construction levy, 125 million dollars were authorized for two buildings in the West Seattle area. One was the construction of a new Denny Middle School and the other was the renovation of Sealth. Denny was allocated funds to build a new school (75 million dollars) and Sealth was allocated 50 million dollars for remodeling.

Sealth required major infrastructure work (boiler replacement, HVAC, sprinklers and other upgrades), therefore, the possibility loomed that there would be no visible building improvements for the public to see after the work was completed.

These depletion phenomena occurred at Beacon Hill Elementary. Several years ago the school was promised a remodel. When the work began it was discovered that the HVAC and other upgrade needs were so extensive that all the funds were diverted to these improvements and the teachers, parents and students saw no physical improvements when all the work was completed. To avoid this outcome, various strategies were explored for Sealth.

Strategies to Leverage Dollars to Benefit Sealth and Counter the Depletion Factor

By locating Denny and Sealth on one campus, several economies were generated. There would be one kitchen instead of two, one lunchroom/commons, and other shared spaces. In addition, by moving Sealth to an interim site (Boren) in 2008/9, the possibility of accelerating the projects arose. To that end, the Board authorized an acceleration of the projects which would save 40 million dollars. Delaying the projects would cost approximately 20 million dollars which would come out of the Sealth remodel budget since a new Denny must be built regardless. In this scenario when the project is completed, Sealth would look the same and the unsightly portables would remain.

Benefits of One Campus for Sealth

Under the current leveraging plan, Sealth would obtain the necessary infrastructure remodeling plus the following visible improvements: new health center, remodeled administrative offices, shared new commons (galleria) /cafeteria/kitchen, new classrooms, and the elimination of portables. It would have some significant design features like the galleria that would be the pride of the school and community.

In addition, Sealth would have the opportunity to submit further improvements and remodel projects to be considered under future levies. This incremental improvement strategy was used for other high schools that were similar in age and condition to Sealth: Rainier Beach, Ingraham, and Hale.

Academic Benefits

Academic and Programmatic Alignment: Preparation for success in the International Baccalaureate program at Sealth, alignment in math, literacy, and science are all top priorities. Staff at both Denny and Sealth are committed to ensuring the success of every student-- we will work very closely to make this happen.

Peer Tutoring and Mentoring: We know that learning research supports the idea that the best way to really internalize learning is to teach someone else. The possibility of cross-age tutoring and mentoring is of substantial benefit to both age groups. Just imagine having a 12th grader come across to the middle school to serve as a teaching assistant for a 7th grade math class-- tutoring and mentoring kids with their math development.

New Rigorous Academic Offerings: As a part of the new plan, Project Lead the Way, a pre-engineering course will be made available to both Denny and Sealth students. This program meets the most updated best practices for career and technical education. Other possibilities include expanded world language offerings, which will help prepare all of our students for our global economy. The added rigorous course offerings given to our students-- thanks to a co-located campus-- will better prepare them as learners and also as college applicants.

Drop-Out Prevention: Students dropping out of high school is a major concern, especially when we look deeply at the data. Doing whatever we can to solve this is our obligation. All of us working together, in a united way, to help ease the transition from eighth- to ninth-grade will help to reverse this trend. A co-located campus will help with this effort.

6-12 Grade Music Pathway: Our music departments are already combined, offering a wide-variety of musical opportunities to our students. We already have the best program in the city-- the new facility design will enable us to make it even better.

 

February 4, 2008 Questions & Responses

During the February 4th session the public was presented with three possible options, one of which would be approved by the Board. This section includes responses to questions both in-support and opposed-to the co-location.

In 2008/9 Sealth moves to an interim site and it returns to a remodeled building in 2010. Denny would be co-located on the Sealth campus and would move into a new building on or about 2011.

This option is the same and Option I except 10 million dollars would be added to Sealth.

In 2008/09 Sealth moves to an interim site and returns to a remodeled building in 2010. Denny would move to the interim site in 2010-11 and return to a new Denny two years later.

Because different costs and benefits are associated with each option, public input was taken at the February 4th Meeting. This document provides responses to questions posed at the public meeting.

Break out groups were divided by colors. Questions and responses are listed by the group room color below.

 

Blue Room

  1. Academic program for both schools - gym/bleachers, not educ. Equity gap. (Why are we paying for gyms and not books?)

    State law requires that capital monies can not be used for books. The operating levies pay for books.

  2. Delay 24 months for option 3. Why? Move Denny kids

    It will take 24 months to upgrade Sealth's HVAC, address seismic issues, and other areas of need.

    If Denny were moved first, Denny would wait two years at their current site in order for the district to obtain the permits necessary and draw up new architectural plans (2008/9 to 2009/10). Once that is done then Denny would move to Boren for two years (2010/11 to 2011/12). They would return to their new site on the old Denny campus in 2012/13. Sealth would move out to Boren in 2012/13 after Denny leave the interim site and stay there two years.

    This scenario would reduce Sealth's budget based on four years of escalation costs generated as a result the delay. In addition, Denny's construction costs will be higher because they now must duplicate spaces like the galleria/lunchroom etc. which were originally scheduled to be shared in the co-location model.

    This scenario will reduce the Sealth project budget by approximately 20 million dollars or more.

  3. Are there no other interim site besides Boren?

    The only other interim site for a high school would be Lincoln H.S. Currently Garfield occupies that site until June 2008 and then Hamilton would move into Lincoln for 2008/09 to 2009/10.

  4. Why is Sealth first? Why move first under option 3 then Denny build?

    By moving Sealth first approximately 20 million dollars will not be reduced from their construction budget. Moving Denny first would reduce the 20 million dollars from Sealth. See Blue Room response #2

  5. Page 11 pics vs. map on page 10. Differences in drawings. Misleading renderings- different vantage points.

    The computer generated artist renditions depicts the ideal situation. Upon close examination of the two pictures, however, the areas compared are fairly comparable: the front entrance dome, the side of the gym, and the view North. Much of the difference is not so much related to the location as it is to all the extras in the artist put in: trees, shrubs, galleria, new exterior finishes, groups of children, flowers, and no driveway etc. All of the building improvements and trees displayed are in the current budget.

  6. Grant put on hold for landscaping Option 3 would make it look nice.

    Because the student grant money for the landscaping was not carried over for Sealth, the district will fund the landscaping project as a part of the remodel. This means that the student project is part of the plan and discussions need to take place regarding the location and design...

  7. Cost renovations at CHS & GHS?

    The cost of Garfield (still in progress) is about 107 million and Cleveland is 68 million. Both were historic renovations that run approximately 25% higher than new construction.

  8. Sealth & Denny doing great things academically - excited about joint project.

    The principals will appreciate your comment.

  9. $10 Million - Where is it coming from? Gift from Board?

    The 10 Million must be authorized by the Board. The staff has currently developed options that will generate funds from areas not related to school construction projects.

  10. BEX4 going to renovate middle & elementary schools. Why more in BEX3 going to Denny?

    The Denny building was rated as the middle school facilities most in need of remodeling in the District. Unlike Sealth, it has not undergone any significant remodeling over the years.

  11. How are 2 staffs going to continue to collaborate with combined campus? New campus will stagger start/end times. No common prep time= less opportunity to collaborate. How are they going to have shared classes with these staggered lunches/start - can't have both.

    Collaboration need not be dependent on common preps. It can occur during inservice training days, it can happen before school and or after school. It also depends on how different the bell schedules are. If the bell schedules are 10 minutes apart there would be time for the teachers to get together for 40-45 minutes during their prep period. Elementary teachers by comparison receive 30 minutes of prep time for collaboration and planning. Other models of collaboration are also possible and will be discussed with the staffs at both schools.

  12. $2 Million already spent in Option 3 (not in Options 1&2).

    The two million dollars would be for the existing architectural plans that would not be used and for the cost of redrawing architectural plans for Denny on a new site. It includes consulting costs, public hearing, PR, building testing, soil testing, city review and administrative costs. In addition there will be dollars lost on already purchased permits.

  13. Cost of Options 1&2 spent in BEX2 - now we are tearing that down in BEX3?

    Some of the BEX II improvement must be removed to install the boiler, HVAC, seismic upgrade and other improvements required by code. Given the extent of the remodeling, the city requires that the entire building be brought up to code.

    In order to do the remodel, the floors will be torn out and the tennis courts will be replaced because they are on the new Denny construction site.

  14. Floor/Boiler work done in BTA/BEX2 - why not done then? New flooring torn out.

    The funds necessary for a new boiler was beyond that which was allocated in the four separate Sealth BTA projects (approximately 22 million dollar). In addition, once a major remodel like the boiler and HVAC system takes place, the entire school needs to move out because of the construction. Also the city requires additional work to bring the building up to meet codes. Unfortunately between and among all the factors required, the floor will be torn out.

  15. $2 Million spent and the community is just now involved.

    The 2 million dollars was spent for architectural fees, permitting, consulting, PR etc. See item #2 above. The community was involved before the levy when two workshops were held on Saturdays. Community representatives are also on the school design team, the group that has been meeting for well over a year. Also other community meetings have been held with the Westwood Neighborhood Council.

  16. Neighborhood engagement vs. input - this was not done until now.

    The community was involved before the levy when two workshops were held on Saturdays. Community representatives are also on the school design team, the group that has been meeting for well over a year. Also other community meetings have been held with the Westwood community group.

  17. $125 Million vs. 1996 textbooks?

    State law requires that BEX bond/levy dollars be used for construction and not be for instruction. The other levy pays for books and programs.

  18. Focus on Academics - should continue MS to HS.

    The focus on academics is important. The co-location will provide opportunities to improve and increase curriculum alignment between the two schools. Please see the statement at the beginning of this document for academic information.

  19. Spectrum program at Denny - how will it be incorporated?

    Regardless of the final option decided on by the School Board, Spectrum at Denny will remain the same as it currently is. We have Spectrum Humanities classes (2-hour Language Arts and Social Studies Block) at each grade level, a 6th grade Spectrum math/science block, and 7th and 8th grade honors math sections. These core offers are also complimented by other rigorous offerings including: advanced Spanish, Mandarin, and music, to name a few.

  20. Options 1 or 2 - No portables, BUT they have not added building.

    The bottom line is that after the remodel takes place and the portables are removed, Sealth (which currently has about 900 students) will have the capacity to accommodate over 1200 students without portables. Regardless of whether the Sealth students differ from Ballard or CHS, the educational challenge is the same—to provide the best learning opportunities for all.

  21. How will we deal with more kids as this will build enrollment with our population different than Ballard and CHS?

    The bottom line is that after the remodel takes place and the portables are removed, Sealth (which currently has about 900 students) will have the capacity to accommodate over 1200 students without portables. Regardless of whether the Sealth students differ from Ballard or CHS, the educational challenge is the same-- to provide the best learning opportunities for all.

  22. Highland Park's District declined for elementary schools but then gained back parents from original attendance roster when they moved out for construction.

    During moves it is not unusual for populations to fluctuate. The pattern is for the newly remodeled schools are to become more desirable choices after the remodel. This phenomenon is helpful for schools that need to attract more students.

  23. Violence of HS student to MS students - combined.

    Safety is always the top priority. The students will be in separate buildings and the school administrations will have the ability to maintain separation by scheduling separate lunch times and different start times. In addition when mixing does occur, it will be supervised. In terms of the design there will be video cameras, separate entrances, and administrative areas located so that critical areas are visible.

  24. Sealth parent - Forced to make decision to combine to get Sealth improvements.

    There are three very different proposals being considered. Two focus on co-location and one provides separate campuses. The decision is among the three. Nevertheless, one of the proposals must be implemented to provide the needed improvements.

  25. Why joint allocation of funds? If we don't go forward why does Sealth lose money? NHHS is 6 years newer than CSHS, yet $70 Million. Why?

    By locating Denny and Sealth on one campus, several economies were generated. There would be one kitchen instead of two, one lunchroom/commons, and other shared spaces. In addition, by moving Sealth to an interim site (Boren) in 2008/9, it is possible to accelerate the projects and work on both buildings at the same time, thus reducing the effects of inflation for Sealth. In addition, Sealth will gain shared space like the galleria which will come from the Denny budget.

    Because of price inflation related to Option 3 caused by the delay, Sealth would lose approximately 20 million dollars.

    Regarding the comparison to Hale: each school is unique and Hale's remodel is different. Hale's needs are not related to replacing the HVAC system, boiler, and seismic changes like Sealth. Instead the cost difference is a reflection of needs and not age. For example, in order to build on the Hale site, 45 feet concrete pilings must be placed into the unstable ground. Currently most of the Hale building is on pilings. This is an additional expense. Hale has a fully operational radio station that is an additional feature that generates expenses that Sealth would not encounter.

  26. Option for students who want to remain at Denny as opposed to combine with Sealth? (Students not co-combined vs. ones who want to).

    There are three possible proposals being considered. Two focus on co-location and one provides separate campuses. If the third option or separate campuses is selected, then Denny students would remain on their current site in a new building once construction is completed. The decision is among the three. If it were a co-location, it is anticipated that Denny students would be co-located after the 2010/11 school year with a possible start sometime in 2011.

 

Pink Room

  1. Benefits and fears of co-location exaggerated.

    Whenever there is a change and not all the answers are known, speculation in either direction can occur. This phenomenon points out the need for good communications so that if differences are based on facts and not rumors, exaggerations or fear.

  2. High School student has more access to do more harm to Middle School students.

    Safety and is always the top priority. The students will be in separate buildings and the school administrations have the ability to maintain separation by scheduling separate lunch times and different start times. In addition, when mixing does occur it will be supervised. In terms of the design there will be video cameras, separate entrances, and administrative areas located so that critical areas are visible.

  3. What is the benefit of co-location?

    There will be more opportunities to align the two curriculums, have more peer tutoring, and the adverse effects of transitioning from one level to another will be reduced.

    In addition, by locating Denny and Sealth on one campus, several economies were generated. There would be one kitchen instead of two, one lunchroom/commons, and other shared spaces. Moving Sealth to an interim site (Boren) in 2008/9 makes it possible to accelerate the projects and work on both buildings at the same time, thus reducing the effects of inflation for Sealth. In addition, Sealth would gain shared spaces like the galleria which will come from the Denny budget. Please also see the introductory section for information.

  4. Need stats on other co-location schools locally & nationally - where & how it's...

    Academic Reasons:

    • Research shows that transitions from Middle School to High School can negatively impact student achievement. A combined campus would help reduce or eliminate this barrier to achievement.
    • Research also shows that student drop-out rates are lower in schools that span more than one level. Sealth and Denny have the opportunity to create a culture that spans the levels.
    • There are opportunities for improving academic alignment, increasing peer tutoring and enhancing the existing 6-12 music program.
    • There are opportunities to create a 6-12 learning community with clear values, traditions, and ceremonies that connect the students as a unified community.

    The 6-12 model will not be a "cure all" for helping every student be "prepared to lead a successful life" but the single campus model has the potential to significantly reduce or eliminate structural barriers to success related to the effects of school transitions.

    According to information gathered from the Early Education and Parenting National Clearinghouse website http://ceep.crc.uiuc.edu/poptopics/grade.config.html

    • Alspaugh, 1999: Achievement losses occur each time student switched schools.
    • Paglin and Fager, 1997: Student feelings of anonymity increased each time student switched schools.
    • Simmons and Blyth, 1987: Adolescent girls suffered a drop in self esteem, extracurricular participation and leadership behaviors after switching schools.
    • Simmons and Blyth, 1987: Adolescent boys exhibited drop in grades and extracurricular participation after switching schools.
    • Franklin and Glasock, 1996: Boys showed increased suspensions with greater school switching.

    6-12 or 7-12 combined campuses are not new:

    In a quick examination of small public and private schools in Washington State various grade level configurations are in existence such as: PreK-12, K-12, 1-12, 3-12, 6-10, 6-12 and 7-12.

    A combined campus is not a new idea. It has been implemented in rural parts of Washington State for many years: Chimacum High School and Middle School occupy the same campus as does Ocosta Junior-Senior High School. Chimacum High School and Middle School have one principal and the middle school has an administrator. They are on the same campus and share the auditorium, gym and field.

    Tyee High School (three small schools) in Highline is next to Cascade Middle School. They do some sharing on an individual basis and they have not encountered any significant problems except that the older kids get out earlier than the Junior high and some tend to hang around.

    Even within the Seattle School District we have alternative schools that span more than one level: Summit K-12 and the 6-12 Bilingual Orientation Center. In addition we have schools that are proximate to each other: Summit K-12 is across the street from Hale H.S., Rainier Beach H.S. was across the street from SouthShore M.S., The New School (K-4) was housed in the same building as SouthLake H.S and SouthShore (K-8) will share the SouthLake H.S. campus.

    Nationally there are 6-12 or 7-12 school that are:

    • combined and share facilities
    • physically separate but on the same campus and share some facilities
    • physically separate on the same campus and share little
    • in the same building
    • separated by a street.

    Nationally Foster High School/Briscoe Junior HS in Texas, Hercules Middle/High School in California, Clovis North Educational Center in California, Har Ber High School and Hellstern Middle School in Arkansas, Cocoa Beach Jr. and Sr. HS in Florida, Frederick Douglass Academy HS in New York, John D. O'Bryant School of Mathematics and Science in Boston, Sherman Junior/Senior HS in Oregon, Bellflower Middle/High School in California, Bell High School and Lincoln Middle School in D.C., and New Washington Middle/High School in Indiana are some of the 6-12 and or 7-12 schools operating nationally.

    Been working. Public school example.

  5. See number 3 above

  6. What is the future use of Denny site?

    The future of the current Denny site (where Denny is now), under the co-location scenario has not been determined. Public input will be solicited to help determine the use. It could be tennis courts, a skateboard park, or any number of other facilities. It will, however, not be sold to private developers.

  7. Option 2 & 3 - When will students move back in?

    Under Option 2, Sealth would be out two years at an interim site and Denny would move in after 3 years.

    Under Option 3, Sealth would be out two years at an interim site and Denny would move in after 4 years.

  8. Will option 3 have money to fix HS gym floor that is currently non- functional?

    Because of the effects of inflation caused by the delay, it is anticipated that the bulk of the remaining funds would go to the boiler, HVAC system and seismic repair and not the gym floor.

  9. How will lunches be scheduled to make it work?

    The lunch schedules will be determined by the two principals and school leadership but it is possible to have two lunches, three lunches or four lunches. Also, it is possible to serve both a high school lunch and middle school lunch at one time with the student groups separated by a wall in the sub-divided galleria.

  10. How will different start times work?

    The start times will be determined by the principals. It is possible to have the high school start later. Nathan Hale starts at about 8:30 AM and their day ends at 3:00 PM.

  11. How do we accommodate drivers in limited parking spaces?

    The current plan proposes over 115 on-site parking spaces for CSHS and 60 on-site spaces for Denny. In addition, there are over 370 on-street parking spaces (includes 160 that border the campus). There are also 300 off street parking spaces in the parking lot adjacent to the Southwest Athletic Complex across the street from CSHS. It is anticipated that staff will use available on-site and frontage on-street parking in addition to the other spaces available.

  12. Where is the entry for special ed students?

    Both buildings will be handicapped accessible and each school will have their own entrance.

  13. Would like more equity in Sealth since Denny is getting a new school.

    Under the four Sealth BTA projects Sealth has already received upgrades such as a new entrance, new field, new floor, new commons, library renovations, science lab renovations, and upgrades to the 9th grade classrooms in the amount of approximately 22 million dollars. This plus the 50 million in BEX III, plus the possible additional 10 million brings the Sealth share to approximately 82 million dollars in comparison to the 75 million dollar Denny budget. In addition, because of the co-location Sealth will benefit from shared spaces like the galleria which are paid for from the Denny budget.

  14. Can we have a comparison of what was on the ballot vs. on the presentation?

    The ballot language was very simple but The Seattle Public Schools Bond and Levy information flyer (Winter 2007) states:

    "Denny Middle School/Chief Sealth High School Replacement of Denny, major renovations for Sealth, and construction of joint facilities, with safety upgrades through out (125 m)."

    "This proposed project will include: Shared facilities, such as a new library, foreign language classrooms, 1,000 seat auditorium, commons, cafeteria and a gymnasium designed to higher safety standards."

    Overall Option 3 will provide the fewest improvements and Option 2 (additional 10 million dollars) would provide the most improvements.

  15. Is Denny in line for a new school now?

    Denny is scheduled for a new school because it was rated highest among middle schools in terms of replacement. Depending on which option is selected, the actual start day may vary.

  16. Where is Sealth on the remodel list?

    Sealth is scheduled to begin remodeling in the summer of 2008 regardless of what option is selected.

  17. Why is Denny not on BEX 4?

    Denny is scheduled for a new school because it was rated highest among middle schools in terms of replacement. Unlike Sealth it has not benefited from any significant phased in remodeling over the years.

  18. What kind of support is SPS going to provide (program-wise) to make this successful?

    Both schools are still separate, with separate administrations, teams and teachers. SPS will work with both schools to create a transition team to deepen curriculum.

    There will be opportunities for teachers to collaborate to make the integration of curriculum even better between the schools.

    For example, with music, art, International Baccalaureate and math-the district is giving Denny a math coach-so that those students will be more tied in and prepared once they enter CSHS.

  19. Option 2 is a great idea and a great use of resources.

    Option 2 does have benefits for academics, budget and construction.

  20. See many security issues with combined campuses.

    Safety is always the top priority. The students will be in separate buildings and the school administrations have the ability to maintain that separation by scheduling separate lunch times and different start times. In addition when mixing does occur it will be supervised. In terms of the design there will be video cameras, separate entrances, and administrative areas located so that critical areas are visible.

  21. Are there educational programs for security staff to handle combined school issues?

    As for security, each school will have its own security person or people and each will get training. To clarify: the schools are not together-they are not integrated and never will be. Parents need to keep in mind that the schools are already sharing buses and music rooms-with minimal problems. Most buses are going away with metro buses being used for CSHS, so there is not a bus issue with security.

  22. What is the existing Denny site being used for?

    The future of the current Denny site (where it is now), under the co-location scenario has not been determined. Public input will be solicited to help determine the use. It could be tennis courts, a skateboard park, or any number of other facilities. It will, however, not be sold to private developers.

  23. Where would CS practice with the removal of softball field?

    CS can practice at Boren while at Boren.

    District Athletic staff will determine where and where CSHS can practice based on team schedules and availability of fields.

  24. Were the students' views taken into account?

    Students are involved on the school design team. They expressed their ideas during the process. More information has been requested.

    On February 8th, Denny Middle School's student government presented grade level assemblies which included a PowerPoint of the options for the replacement of Denny Middle School. Denny students completed a survey, the results are included in the pie chart below:

    chart denny student survey

  25. Would like to see money placed into a security plan.

    In both schools there are safety committees. The two principals need to address how they plan to address safety in a co-location. A joint safety committee is one alternative.

    Safety is always the top priority. The students will be separate buildings and the school administrations have the ability maintain that separation by scheduling separate lunch times and different start times. In addition when mixing does occur it will be supervised. In terms of the design there will be video cameras, separate entrances, and administrative areas located so that critical areas are visible.

  26. What are current independent security stats for each of the schools?

    Response in progress as of 2/08/08

  27. See a lot of violence currently. See it get worse with merger.

    Safety and violence are primary concerns. The students will be in separate buildings and the school administrations have the ability to maintain that separation by scheduling separate lunch times and different start times. In addition when mixing does occur it will be supervised. In terms of the design there will be video cameras, separate entrances, and administrative areas located so that critical areas are visible.

  28. What do the teachers think of the merger?

    Teacher opinions vary.

    At a Denny staff meeting on Wednesday, January 30th, after listening to the pros and cons regarding the new Denny being built at the Sealth site or its current location, Denny staff took a survey. There were at least 41 building staff members present and a total of 41 surveys were counted. Here are the results:


    chart denny staff survey

    Questions have been raised as to why the District has not posted information regarding a survey or surveys of the Chief Sealth staff, as community members keep referencing the percentage of Chief Sealth staff members who are opposed to a shared-space campus. The District has asked for information regarding these surveys, which we believe were conducted by staff members. The following information that has been provided to the District relates to an anonymous survey that we believe was taken in May of 2007.

    chart sealth staff

  29. Safety concerns with mixing students of varied age.

    Safety is always the top priority. The students will be in separate buildings and the school administrations have the ability to maintain that separation by scheduling separate lunch times and different start times. In addition when mixing does occur it will be supervised. In terms of the design there will be video cameras, separate entrances, and administrative areas located so that critical areas are visible.

 

Green Room

  1. What is the combined budget for NHHS and HMS in BEXIII? How does it compare to the Denny/Sealth budget?

    The SPS bond and levy flyer (winter 2007) states that Denny/Sealth is 125 million, Hale is 77.6 million and Hamilton 73.5 million. Regarding the comparison to Hale-- each school is unique and Hale's remodel is different. Hale's needs are not related to replacing the HVAC system, boiler, and seismic changes like Sealth. Instead the cost difference is a reflection of needs and not age. For example, in order to build on the Hale site, 45 feet concrete pilings must be placed into the unstable ground. This is an additional expense. Hale a fully operational radio station that is an additional feature that generates expenses. In relation to Hamilton this is a historic renovation. It is not unusual for historic renovations to generate additional costs based on the need to preserve or restore selected features. Denny on the other hand is new construction.

  2. Where do the answers come from?

    The answers will come from a team of people representing various areas of expertise-- such as architects, program managers, principals, facilities staff, etc.

  3. When will we get these answers?

    The plan is to have the bulk of the questions answered by the 12th of February.

  4. Will Boren meet requirements for I.B. Program, facilities, IT? Some for Science Labs?

    Response in progress as of 2/08/08

  5. Has Boren already been updated for CSHS needs?

    Yes. The last occupant was Cleveland H.S. and the facilities accommodated their needs.

  6. Can Mechanical System be more efficient? Why doesn't Option 3 take less time for CSHS relocation? Could it be done in 1 year?

    The mechanical system requires two years. Floors need to be torn out and seismic upgrades and walls need to be added. In addition when a major remodel is implemented, the city requires that the entire building be brought up to code.

  7. What, specifically, are the academic benefits of co-location?

    There will be increase opportunities for curriculum alignment, the students' transition from 8th grade to 9th grade will be eased, there will be more peer tutoring opportunities, counselors can get to know the students better because they are on the campus longer, and there will be more opportunities to collaborate and do joint programs such as music. Please see the introduction section.

  8. How will Boren's surrounding neighborhood be impacted by relocation? Neighbors felt school district doesn't have good track record in addressing the issues.

    The Boren site has been used as an interim site for Madison and Cleveland. It is anticipated that Sealth's impact on the Boren neighborhood will be similar to Cleveland's with the exception of more cars because Sealth's population is greater than Cleveland's. As with any school, the intent is to be a good neighbor-- encourage students to be responsible and respectful as guests in the Boren community.

  9. Can there be support by District for a plan to address Boren's neighborhood?

    As with any school, the first contact should be the principal. Depending on the issue, district support would be available to support a plan developed by the school.

  10. How was it decided that a south-end school would be the "experimental" co-located campus while the north-end gets new schools?

    A number of factors led to the decision to include a co-located campus for Denny and Sealth in the BEX III bond. During planning for the bond, the original idea was to rebuild Denny at its current location, and to upgrade the HVAC system at Chief Sealth. Denny was included in the bond because it was the middle school in greatest need of renovation at the time. The HVAC system at Chief Sealth was included because the system was estimated to be at the end of its useful life. Based on relative condition of buildings across the system, it was expected that major renovation at Chief Sealth would not be scheduled into a levy/bond for at least two more levy cycles. In addition, the HVAC replacement at Sealth meant that students would need to be re-located for two years.

    District leadership and the School Board also needed to take into consideration the fact that construction costs had been escalating, and that nationally the costs of building each school were outpacing inflation. In addition, at this time Sealth had been approved to offer the IB program, and Sealth and Denny were collaborating in a number of areas and pathways.

    Taking all of these factors into account, the idea emerged to co-locate the two schools on the Chief Sealth campus, which at 17.4 acres (acreage includes gym, tennis courts, parking lot and baseball field) has more than ample room to accommodate both buildings. This plan allowed the district to provide Sealth with renovations far in advance of the timeline that it would have otherwise pursued.

  11. How does the Dept. of Safety and Security Office and the Superintendent feel about the security issues in the current Option 1 Plan? In comparing the 3 options?

    Response still in progress as of 2/08/08

    FYI: From DMS translated meeting invitations have been sent home. Addtionally, a phone calling maching has left messages in Spanish.

  12. Is Thistle a safer walk-up entry than Kenyon for the MS? How can Kenyon feel safer? (Concern that Kenyon is not safe for MS students walking to school.

    The current design includes street and accessibility improvements including a new bus entrance for the middle school. We will be cleaning up the landscape and adding site lighting and security camera systems that cover the entire North end of the campus.

  13. What kind of increase in ongoing safety personnel budget will come with co-location? Teacher feels that it is currently inadequate.

    Response in progress as of 2/08/08

  14. What is the plan during the transition to a "culture of safety" since it will be an ongoing work in progress?

    Response in progress as of 2/08/08

  15. Why didn't the ballot or voter pamphlet include the term co-location? What was the history? Why?

    The Seattle Public Schools Bond and Levy information flyer (Winter 2007) states:

    "Denny Middle School/Chief Sealth High School Replacement of Denny, major renovations for Sealth, and construction of joint facilities, with safety upgrades through out (125 m)."

    "This proposed project will include: Shared facilities, such as a new library, foreign language classrooms, 1,000 seat auditorium, commons, cafeteria and a gymnasium designed to higher safety standards."

  16. What athletic facilities are affected by the move and the co-location? How is the softball and tennis program affected?

    CSHS will have the use of the tennis courts and softball field through the end of the 2007/2008 school year. At that point, the entire CSHS campus will be turned over to contractors. Under Option 1 & 2, the tennis courts and softball field will be removed for construction for the new Denny. The football field will be resurfaced as a separate item in the project. Under Option 3, both the tennis courts and softball field remain.

    The District Athletic Coordinator and athletic directors from CSHS, DMS and West Seattle H.S. along with Park personnel will establish team game and practice schedules for tennis, track, and softball.

  17. Can Option 1 or 3 include the gym floor replacement?

    The best opportunity for the gym floor replacement is Option 2. Option 3 is a definite "no" and for Option 1 the power point presentation indicates that it will not be replaced.

  18. How much outreach has been directed in translated formats? SW includes many non-English speaking families (in South Park and other neighborhoods)

    Response in progress as of 2/08/08

  19. Can opposing view point be presented on the website so options are presented fully & unbiased?

    The rules for the website involve following the existing guidelines which relate to appropriate language, size, and images. Opposing views are welcome providing they fit within the website guidelines.

  20. How can the problem of DMS & CSHS students "hanging out" together and skipping class be addresses?

    The schools and principals are responsible for the Becca bill which relates to student attendance. The attendance offices also notify parents of absences either through in person phone calls or automated phone messages. Students who are "hanging out" and not in class are within the normal work scope of administrators, counselors and security staff.

  21. Why is the same design team doing CSHS as Roosevelt, if Roosevelt was over budget by error?

    Under the District school design process each school has their own design team composed of architects, administrators, staff, students, teachers, community people, parents and district support staff. In other words the design teams are different but in this particular case the architects (Bassetti) are the same.

    The Bassetti Architects Company has provided excellent design services on numerous projects including Franklin H.S., John Stanford International School (formerly Latona), West Seattle H.S., Madison M.S. and Roosevelt H.S. All of these projects are highly regarded within their respective neighborhoods. Both West Seattle H.S. and Madison M.S. serve as models for future designs within the District.

    The cost over-runs at Roosevelt were primarily due to the unanticipated escalation in construction materials related to the increased world-wide demand for steel, concrete, etc.

  22. Can .ppt slides be put on the website?

    Yes, this will be done.

 

Yellow Room

  1. Handout contradicts all statements on combined campuses & shared facility.

    Response in progress as of 2/08/08

  2. With $15 million difference between options 1 & 3, I hope the district makes decisions that are right for the kids.

    The school design team used criteria that were student-centered. Given the design process, we are confident that the features will improve the structural safety of the building and add spaces that students, parents, staff and teachers will be proud of for years to come.

  3. Saw a lot of "would've" "could've".

    As with the implementation of any project this size (125 million) every day presents choices and opportunities to design and construct a building that meets all the safety standards, codes, regulations etc. and serves the students, parents, faculty and community within an environment of escalating costs. As such the perception of "would've" and "could've" is one lens in which to judge the process. The other perceptional lens is whether the building is within budget, spaces enhance the educational environment and whether spaces provide the community with outstanding facilities for years to come.

  4. I want to see a decision that's best for the kids.

    The Design Team composed of faculty, staff, community, parents, architects, students and administrators used the District guidelines to support high achieving schools to develop the design.

  5. I don't see the point in spending more money and getting less.

    Sealth has already received upgrades such as a new entrance, new field, new floor, in the amount of 22 million dollars. This plus the 50 million in BEX III and the possible additional 10 million brings the Sealth share to approximately 82 million in comparison to the 75 million dollar Denny budget. In addition, because of the co-location Sealth will benefit from shared spaces like the galleria that are paid for from the Denny budget.

  6. What are the fiscal reasons/opinions for not going forward with options 1 or 2?

    Currently funds have been expended on architects, consultants, and permitting that would be lost. Option 3 involves delays which will significantly reduce the scope of work for Sealth. Sealth will move out for two years regardless of which option is picked so that Options 1 &2 provide the best facilities to move back into after the two year hiatus. Otherwise under Option 3 Sealth will return to a campus that looks very much like the one they left (including the portables).

  7. I feel that combined campuses will leave us stuck for 50 years if it doesn't work.

    Great care has been taken to design a facility that will meet the needs of students in terms of academics, safety, collaboration, aesthetics, student centered, personalizing environment, and community connections. From the facility side the buildings meet the criteria listed. The next level is the challenge of the two principals and their faculty. Creating a culture of respect and acceptance will help further the outcome of creating a viable grade 6-12 community of learners.

  8. How many lunches will they have?

    The number of lunches will be determined by the principals and possibly their leadership teams. Under Options 1 or 2 it is possible to have two, three or four lunches where the high school students do not mix with the middle school students.

  9. What about dismissal times?

    If Sealth had a later start time, it will have a later dismissal time. Hale for example starts at 8:30 AM and dismisses at 3:00 PM.

  10. Would age differences hinder the counsel/care at the teen health center?

    No, each school will have their own counselors and each will have their own section of the health center.

  11. Why would we have to wait so long?

    The reference for the “wait” is unknown at this time. Hopefully the other responses addressed this concern.

  12. If you have staggered arrival/dismissal/lunch times, how can teachers get together to talk?

    Collaboration need not be dependent on common preps. It can occur during in-service training days, it can happen before school and or after school. It also depends on how different the bell schedules are. If they are 10 minutes apart there still would be time for the teachers to get together for 40-45 minutes during their prep period. Elementary teachers by comparison receive 30 minutes of prep time.

  13. If money wasn't an issue, would we still have 1 campus or 2 campuses?

    Unfortunately in the public school environment, funding is an issue. If it were not an issue there would be a number of possibilities available which would be weighed by the design teams in terms of merit. Plus there are other limitations outside of funding that must be considered like State regulations, city ordinances, aesthetics, accessibility, community needs, population growth, soil composition, population declines etc. But the bottom line would be related to how the structure or structures serve the long range needs of the area and meet student academic needs for the next 40-50 years.

    In addition, co-locating or not co-locating has advantages beyond money in relation to the creation of a community of learners. In other words the decision as to whether it is one or two campuses would be based on programs, academic needs and the over-riding concept of equity which focuses on meeting needs as opposed to equal shares.

  14. What is the school district doing with the Denny property?

    The future of the current Denny site (where it is now) under the co-location scenario has not been determined. Public input will be solicited to help determine the use. It could be tennis courts, a skateboard park, or any number of other facilities. It will, however, not be sold to private developers.

  15. Why is CSHS, oldest on the list, only getting partial renovations?

    Age is a factor when comparing old high schools in the 80 year range to younger buildings in the 40 year range. Comparing younger schools to younger schools based solely on age does not provide a complete picture of the needs for each school. The younger high schools are renovated in phases (partial renovations) and all of the older schools have been completed remodeled like Garfield, Cleveland, Ballard, and Roosevelt. Franklin was remodeled several years ago.

  16. Where has this (6-12) worked?

    6-12 and 7-12 combined campuses are not new.

    In a quick examination of small public and private schools in Washington State various grade level configurations are in existence such as: PreK-12, K-12, 1-12, 3-12, 6-10, 6-12 and 7-12.

    A combined campus is not a new idea. It has been implemented in rural parts of Washington State for many years: Chimacum High School and Middle School occupy the same campus as does Ocosta Junior-Senior High School. Chimacum High School and Middle School have one principal and the middle school has an administrator. They are on the same campus and share the auditorium, gym and field.

    Tyee High School (three small schools) in Highline is next to Cascade Middle School. They do some sharing on an individual basis and they have not encountered any significant problems except that the older kids get out earlier than the Junior high and some tend to hang around.

    Even within the Seattle School District we have alternative schools that span more than one level: Summit K-12 and the 6-12 Bilingual Orientation Center. In addition we have schools that are proximate to each other: Summit K-12 is across the street from Hale H.S., Rainier Beach H.S. was across the street from SouthShore M.S., The New School (K-4) was housed in the same building as SouthLake H.S and SouthShore (K-8) will share the SouthLake H.S. campus.

    Nationally there are 6-12 or 7-12 school that are:

    • combined and share facilities
    • physically separate but on the same campus and share some facilities
    • physically separate on the same campus and share little
    • in the same building
    • separated by a street.

    Nationally Foster High School/Briscoe Junior HS in Texas, Hercules Middle/High School in California, Clovis North Educational Center in California,Har Ber High School and Hellstern Middle School in Arkansas, Cocoa Beach Jr. and Sr. HS in Florida, Frederick Douglass Academy HS in New York, John D. O'Bryant School of Mathematics and Science in Boston, Sherman Junior/Senior HS in Oregon, Bellflower Middle/High School in California, Bell High School and Lincoln Middle School in D.C., and New Washington Middle/High School in Indiana are some of the 6-12 and or 7-12 schools operating nationally.

  17. What are the examples?

    See 16 above and a list of website has been provided in an earlier section.

  18. Are these decisions driven by economics or the welfare of the students?

    Decisions are made based on the academic, social, and emotional needs of children. Unfortunately in the public school environment, funding is an issue. If it were not an issue there would be a number of possibilities available which would be weighed by the design teams in terms of merit. Plus there are other limitations outside of funding that must be considered like State regulations, city ordinances, soil composition, aesthetics, accessibility, community needs, population growth, population declines etc. But the bottom line would be related to how the structure or structures serve the long range student academic needs for the next 40-50 years. In other words the decision would be based on programs, academic needs and the over-riding concept of equity which focuses on meeting needs as opposed to equal shares.

  19. What weight will this safety testimony have in moving forward?

    This is a Board decision and it is up to each individual Board member to assess the weight of each issue presented including safety. The decision on the options, however, is scheduled to be made at the last public meeting in February 2008.

  20. Is it guaranteed that this ~10.5 acres (Denny) will be returned to us?

    The future of the current Denny site (where it is now), under the co-location scenario has not been determined. Public input will be solicited to help determine the use. It could be tennis courts, a skateboard park, or any number of other facilities. It will, however, not be sold to private developers.

  21. What school is giving up the $10 million for option 2?

    The funds if allocated will come from a variety of sources. The additional dollars will not reduce the scope of any existing school construction projects.

  22. Why can't Denny make some sacrifices?

    Denny will be contributing funds to the galleria and other areas. Sealth benefits by using Denny's money for these areas. Depending on one's point of view this may or may not be viewed as a sacrifice. It is our desire that all schools have best transitions possible. This value will guide the project support staff as we move ahead with the project.

  23. I'm concerned about misinformation that has been given to my child by teachers.

    When major project changes are considered and not all the facts are available in a timely fashion, misinformation and rumors can be spread even by those who have the best intentions.

  24. Why are you reconsidering now?

    There are three options available. Some give more benefits to Sealth than others. Examining the options now is a logical way to proceed while there is still time to implement directional changes in the project.

  25. CSHS is losing brand new sports fields. How long will these students have to wait?

    CSHS will have the use of its facilities on the Sealth campus through the end of the 2007/08 school year. After the move to Boren, the CSHS tennis and softball teams will either use the field at Boren or other locations determined by the District Athletic Department and the City of Seattle Parks Department. The athletic field at the Southwest Athletic complex will be replaced because of wear as part of the project.

  26. What about not having enough classrooms or books/resources?

    The bottom line is once the building is remodeled under option 1 or 2, the portables will be removed and the school's capacity will be 1200 students.

    The book issue is outside of the BEX construction budget. Books will be handled in the usual manner by the Teaching and Learning Department and or principals.

  27. You need to get it in writing that you will have video cameras in the schools because they didn't do it for any of the other BEX schools.

    There will be video cameras in the building as part of the safety plan.

 

After the Room Reported

  1. Why not do Denny first then do safety upgrades/improvements to Sealth?

    During the 24 month period Sealth is at the Boren interim site, work will begin on the new co-located Denny building. By moving Sealth first and not delaying the project, approximately 20 million dollars will be saved because of inflation. If the project were delayed, the scope of the Sealth project would be greatly reduced. As for why Denny kids did not move first, the result would have been that the Sealth project would have been delayed for four years and at least 20 million dollars would be lost. Also work on the new Denny would also be delayed.

  2. If school board, will school board hear what we have to say?

    The school board has heard testimony regarding this project on several occasions at their Board meeting. At the February 4th meeting three Board members were present to hear the concerns. The questions and responses will be on the web for all to see including the board. In addition hard copies will be made available to the Board.

  3. Is the school board represented?

    The school board has heard testimony regarding this project on several occasions at their Board meeting. At the February 4th meeting three Board members were present to hear the concerns.

  4. Are there going to have new books, computers, ceiling tiles& .desk falling apart.

    State law requires that the capital funds (BEX III) be used for buildings and facilities.

  5. Where are the books for IB/Education?

    Dollars for books must come from the regular district curriculum sources.

  6. We've formed a committee for Option 3 that would provide an opposing viewpoint (they want questions/comments to respond)

    Please see the introductory section and the power point which discuss Options 1 and 2. If you are in favor of Option 3 you can oppose what is stated in the two sections mentioned. If you are not in favor of Option 3 you can draw from the two sections.

  7. Type of school, population, is there an application for a magnet school?

    TBoth Denny and Sealth offer many special programs fortheir students. Currently, Seattle Public Schools does not have a magnet school designation.

  8. Are there schools that have already combined? Want some info/source (populations, types, etc).

    Very detailed earlier responses have covered this topic in detail. Please check the earlier sections.

  9. Why are you reconsidering now?

    The options are being considered now because there is still time to make changes to improve the projects. If the projects were more fully developed, only minimal changes could be made.

  10. Sealth is losing tennis court/softball; how long will they wait to replace?

    CSHS will have the use of the tennis courts and softball field through the end of the 2007/2008 school year. At that point, the entire CSHS campus will be turned over to contractors. Under Option 1&2, the tennis courts and softball field will be removed for construction for the new Denny. The football field will be resurfaced as a separate item in the project. Under Option 3, both the tennis courts and softball field remain.

    The District Athletic Coordinator and athletic directors from CSHS, DMS and West Seattle H.S. along with Park personnel will establish team game and practice schedules for tennis, track, and softball.

  11. Video cameras/ability to lockdown.

    Video cameras are part of the security plan. Yes, if needed, a lock-down is possible.

  12. Issues: Co-location decision will not be likeable once done.

    Great care has been taken to design a facility that will meet the needs of students in terms of academics, safety, collaboration, aesthetics, student centered, personalizing environment, and community connections. From the facilities meet the criteria listed. The next level is the challenge of the two principals and their faculty. Creating a culture of respect and acceptance will help further the outcome of creating a viable grade 6-12 community of learners.

  13. What is planned for Denny Property?

    The future of the current Denny site, under the co-location scenario has not been determined. Public input will be solicited to help determine the use. It could be tennis courts, a skateboard park, or any number of other facilities. It will, however, not be sold to private developers.

  14. If money was not an issue, what would we do?

    Unfortunately in the public school environment, funding is always an issue. If it were not an issue there would be a number of possibilities available which would be weighed by the design teams in terms of their merit. Plus there are other limitations outside of funding that must be considered like State regulations, soil composition, city ordinances, aesthetics, accessibility, community needs, population growth, population declines etc. But the bottom line would be related to how the structures would serve the long range academic needs of the students for the next 40-50 years. In addition, co-locating and not co-locating have advantages beyond money in relation to the creation of a 6-12 community of learners.

  15. Need to see academic planning

    Currently each school has a building academic plan. Some work on alignment is already been done. It is aniticpated that if co-location happens, the progress with 6-12 grade academic planning will accerrate.

  16. How will they do separate lunches?

    Given the size of the galleria/cafeteria, it is possible to have two lunches, three lunches or four lunches. In all of the above scenarios it is possible to have separate lunches. Note: it is possible to serve both middle school and high school students lunch at the same the same time on opposite sides of a wall sub-dividing the galleria.

  17. How will we keep them separate?

    Safety is always the top priority. The students will be in separate buildings and the school administrations have the ability to maintain that separation by scheduling separate lunch times and different start times. In addition when mixing does occur it will be supervised. In terms of the design there will be video cameras, separate entrances, and administrative areas located so that critical areas are visible.

  18. Dismissal times - some parents prefer similar dismissal times.

    Different dismissal times are being considered. They can be 10 minutes or more apart. If it is 10 minutes, there is time for the middle schoolers to get on buses before the high school dismisses. Also a ten minute difference would permit some middle schoolers to wait ten minutes for their older brothers or sisters.

  19. Health Clinic - are they separate and how?

    The architectural design will separate the facilities. They will have separate entrances for the middle and high schools.

  20. Why going so long (24 months)?

    The Sealth renovations require that the HVAC system be upgraded, seismic work done and the boiler replaced. When such major renovations are mad, the city requires that the entire building be brought up to code. This is why the project will take 24 months.

  21. How will teachers talk if staggered lunch/class times/dismissals?

    Collaboration need not be dependent on common preps. It can occur during in-service training days, it can happen before school and or after school. It also depends on how different the bell schedules are. If they are 10 minutes apart there still would be time for the teachers to get together for 40-45 minutes during their prep period. Elementary teachers by comparison receive 30 minutes of prep time. Other collaboration plans are also possible and will developed with staff input.

 

Next Steps

Your comments will go the School Board

  • 2/12: Westwood Neighborhood Council Meeting
  • 2/13: School Board 1st reading
  • 2/27: School Board final vote

For more information call:

Robert Evans
Denny/Sealth Project Manager
(206) 658-2731

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